Tragedy, Shame & Community Healing with George Boutros and Judy Saba
George Boutros has turned two of the most painful experiences of his life into movements that have genuinely changed communities. Joining Debbie and cross-cultural psychologist Judy Saba, George opens up about losing his cousin to suicide, the nine months that shook his community to its core, and how that grief quietly built something remarkable. From founding Friends with Hope to shipping 27 tonnes of humanitarian aid to Lebanon after the Beirut explosion, this is a raw and honest conversation about what it really looks like to turn tragedy into purpose.